Authority of the believer to cooperate with and work with the Holy Spirit by Pastor Don Moore

Wednesday, May 19, 2010

Authority of the Believer to Cooperate with and work with the Holy Spirit by Pastor Don Moore

This is a longer than usual posting, but I am trying to get the Bible studies up to date and decided not to break it into two entries. Praying this blesses you, it was a remarkable question and answer session.  It always amazes me how Pastor Don can answer a question off the top of his head. I want to know the Bible that well!

Who is doing what?  In ministry we can get to the point where we are operating so fast we are outside of what the Holy Spirit is doing. People pray not realizing they have to operate with the Holy Spirit in their prayer life. Too often we want and ask God to approve what we are doing and it is hard for us to realize we need to change what we are doing to line up with the Holy Spirit.

Romans 8:12-14 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors–not to the flesh, to live according to the flesh. For if you live according to the flesh you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live. For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God.

The second death is die physically and obey the spirit. This text is defining “sons of God” as being led by the Spirit. We get confused by people who talk the talk, but don’t walk it. You can tell you are being led by the Spirit by the way you love the brethren. We do not hate the people of God.

The Holy Spirit is ahead of us, leading us. If we encounter a phony or difficult challenge in our field of life and can’t get anywhere, He hasn’t led you to that field. There will be work, but the Holy Spirit prepares the ground for you. When you get to people He will have people ready for you.

We are LED – which means we are following and He has prepared the field.

Romans 8:15 For you did not receive the spirit of bondage again to fear, but you received the Spirit of adoption by whom we cry out “Abba, Father.”

Abba- Father

Romans 8:16 The Spirit Himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God.

How do we know we are led? The Spirit Himself bears witness with our Spirit, manifests in us, in the follower, and what we do will bear fruit. The sign in us is the fruit bearing that is caused by following the Holy Spirit, listening to our INWARD WITNESS. The witness testifies or manifests.

How do we do stupid?  We don’t consult Who’s in us. The Holy Spirit will lead us the right way, and our flesh tries to cancel what we are being told to do by our inward witness.  We are sheep and we are dumb. You won’t become smart or be fully used by God until you realize how stupid you are. Give the flesh an opportunity to lead and you will fall. Go back, look at the mistakes made and you will see that it was a fleshly decision that caused them. If we are following our flesh we will end up with big problems. Our pride can get in the way.

Make an intelligent, spiritual decision that you are going to be led by the Holy Spirit in this situation. When you are led by the Spirit and committed to obeying the Spirit others cannot push your buttons to get you to react.

The Spirit bears witness with OUR SPIRIT. Our spirit hears from the Holy Spirit even before it registers on our brain. Our ego and pride can cause us to not want to yield to our spirit. Our spirit will correct us and we don’t like correction for we feel it is a put-down. But correction is good so that we don’t fall into someone’s hole. Our spirit has to be developed so that we learn how to yield  our spirit. When we yield our spirit we are going to change. The enemy, satan, walks into a room and it gets darker. But hope and light emanates from our inner man. We begin to recognize, here comes old slewfoot to bring everybody down.

Ask for discernment. Do you have a yielded spirit? David prayed that God would not take the Holy Spirit from him.  King Saul’s disobedience caused the Spirit to be removed from him, and King Saul lived in dark despair. For awhile David’s singing brought some ease, but ultimately the enemy took control and King Saul repeatedly tried to kill David, the very thing that brought ease to King Saul.

Our spirit is under construction. Jesus told the disciples that He taught in parables because only the disciples were to know, the others had shut the door to the teaching.

Some are so victimized that they can’t get out of victim mentality. We need to begin healing the inner man. We will grow and heal quicker from the inside out, from the spirit to the flesh.

Pastor Don shared a song called “Jesus on the inside working on the outside, oh what a change in my life.”

Luke 6:45 A good man out of the good treasure of his heart brings forth good; and an evil man out of the evil treasure of his heart brings forth evil. For out of the abundance of the heart his mouth speaks.

Our Spirit Man says it, and our brain will either obey or not obey it. That is why we have to refine our soulish reaction to defer to what the Spirit is telling us.What will determine if our brain obeys or not is the emotional filters that stuff comes through and our intellectual pride. If we are humble of heart we will yield to the Spirit.

A damaged person will have a difficult time letting the Spirit lead. The Spirit will never force a person to obey, it will guide us with compassion and patience. Some people are so abused they put up walls of protection against not only evil people but against those trying to help them. It takes a healing and a yielding of the spirit to permit them to let down some of the walls. Some people you tell to go right and they go left. They are fighting the Spirit and thus sign up for the struggles they are facing.

The Spirit of God is inside us and conforms us for we are His children. He will lead us and we will follow.

Romans 8:26  Likewise the Spirit also helps in our weaknesses. For we do not know what we should pray for as we ought, but the Spirit Himself makes intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.

Without the Holy Spirit we don’t know how to pray or what to pray about a situation.

Smith Wigglesworth’s wife died and he prayed to bring her back. God rebuked him, for God knew that the next part of his ministry his wife couldn’t go with him. Derek Prince’s wife died and he ended up marrying an older woman that he was not particularly attracted to, but God led him to this marriage and Derek Prince’s ministry expanded quickly. We think we know what we want, but often we do not know what or how to pray for a circumstance. The Holy Spirit wants to lead us.

The Body of Christ is ineffective because they haven’t learned how to pray or be led by the Spirit in prayer. Many denominations have rejected the Baptism of the Holy Spirit and shut themselves off of the guidance of the Holy Spirit for their prayers. The Holy Spirit intercedes for us with groanings that cannot be uttered.

The SPIRIT PRAYING for the heart of man. The Spirit of God interceding for us through the spirits of man. The Spirit of God knows the Mind of God. David had the Holy Spirit resting on him, but because of the New Covenant we have the Holy Spirit within us, and we have the choice to yield our flesh to the Spirit or not. The Holy Spirit will not force us.

Pastor Don was asked a question about the end times. He replied that the angels will not preach until God calls the end of the contract – turns it null and void. Satan’s time is short, so he is trying to do as much damage as possible in the time remaining. There will be 144,000 pure Jews who will assist in the spreading of the Gospel and the work. The Holy Spirit will lead us as to what to do.

When asked about someone who is not listening to the truth, Pastor Don suggested praying for the person, putting their name in the appropriate places in the following prayer from Ephesians 1.

Ephesians 1:15-23 Therefore I also, after I heard of your faith in the Lord Jesus and your love for all the saints, do not cease to give thanks for you, making mention of you in my prayers: that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give to you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of Him, the eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that you may know what is the hope of His calling, what are the riches of the glory of His inheritance in the saints, and what is the exceeding greatness of His power toward us who believe, according to the working of His mighty power which He worked in Christ when He raised Him from the dead and seated Him at His right hand in the heavenly places, far above all principality and power and might and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this age but also in that which is to come. And He put all things under His feet, and gave Him to be head over all things to the church, which is His body, the fullness of Him who fills all in all.

We are to bring the Gospel to an unsaved generation, and we need to pray. Angels will help, but the Church needs to be praying.

Hebrews 1:13-14 But to which of the angels has He ever said: “Sit at My right hand,  till I make Your enemies Your footstool”? Are they not all ministering spirits sent forth to minister for those who will inherit salvation?

They minister to us to help us get the job done..

Pastor Don spoke about how God can use us if we are praying. He says that when we are praying in the Spirit, the Holy Spirit looks for someone willing to pray and hooks up with them to pray a prayer that needs speaking and we can be praying for someone we don’t know, will never find out about, but our willingness to pray in the Spirit allowed the Holy Spirit to pray through us for another.

Romans 8:27 Now He who searches the hearts knows what the mind of the Spirit is, because He makes intercession for the saints according to the will of God.

The Holy Spirit knows the mind of the father and makes intercession for the saints according to the Will of God.

Answer to another question regarding Judas and if His sin of betraying Christ was planned by God. Judas was a son of perdition before the dawn of time. God knows past, present, future, but at the same time we have free will. We are made in God’s image and His image is that of free will.

Pastor then spoke about AION which is a segment of time, we don’t know what that segment is, but the Bible speaks of aeons and aeons.  We don’t know how long that is. There are some teachers out there saying that there will be no more heaven and hell, but that is not what the Word of God says. If you teach a non-biblical truth like that you give people false hope,. We need to stick with what Jesus said. At the end of the 1000 year reign the devil will be let loose for one more time before being cast into the lake of fire. There will be the battle of Armageddon, and the white throne judgment where-death, hades, and those whose names are not written in the book of life will be cast into the lake of fire forever and ever.

But time does not stop, there are aeons, and we don’t know what happens after Revelation, but there are still people outside the gates of New Jerusalem and there are projects that God will have for us, but the Word of God does not elaborate on those.

Revelation 21:1 Now I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away. Also there was no more sea.

This is a new era

Revelation 21:2 Then I, John, saw the holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

Bride of Christ

Revelation 21:3 And I heard a loud voice from heaven saying, “Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and He will dwell with them, and they shall be His people. God Himself will be with them and be their God.

God with man on earth, a new earth.

Revelation 21:4 And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes; there shall be no more death, nor sorrow, nor crying. There shall be no more pain, for the former things have passed away.”

The former has passed away.

Revelation 21:5-7 Then He who sat on the throne said, “Behold, I make all things new.” And He said to me, “Write, for these words are true and faithful.” And He said to me, “It is done! I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. I will give of the fountain of the water of life freely to him who thirsts. He who overcomes shall inherit all things, and I will be his God and he shall be My son.

Everything new

Revelation 21:8  But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.”

BUT – there is the lake of fire, the second death, the end of an era, and the beginning of a new aeon.

Revelation 22:12 “And behold, I am coming quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give to every one according to his work.


Revelation 22:13-14  I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End, the First and the Last.”
Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city.

Those who pass judgment will have the right to eat from the tree of life and enter in the gates of the city, but there will be those outside the city gates.

Revelation 22:15 But outside are dogs and sorcerers and sexually immoral and murderers and idolaters, and whoever loves and practices a lie.

This is not elaborated on, it is a mystery, but there will be those outside the gates of the New City, but not put in the lake of fire.

We are the living stones of the city, we are the Temple,

Pastor Don told us that we are not to invent a pleasing theology that won’t offend, but to stick to the truth of the Bible.

Romans 8:27-28  Now He who searches the hearts knows what the mind of the Spirit is, because He makes intercession for the saints according to the will of God.  And we know that all things work together for good to those who love God, to those who are the called according to His purpose.

Most people read this passage and focus only on the “all things work together for good” part of it, not reading the rest of the passage, “to those who love God, to those who are called according to His purpose.”

All things will work together for good if the conditions are met:
2. Called according to God’s purpose.

God has a specific purpose. And the Holy Spirit as verse 26 tells us intercedes for us when we don’t know how to pray. He will have the Holy Spirit intercede and seek someone who is open to doing God’s will. We need to stay in faith and listen to the promptings of the Holy Spirit and no matter the situation, some good will come of it. We can at least come out of the situation with a good testimony.

We are sons of God if we are led by the Spirit of God. Pastor Don sang a few lines of the song about peace like a river, and we can know it is well with our soul.

We can be dealing with a tough situation in our flesh but it is still well with our soul. The man that wrote the song it is well with my soul lost his wife and two daughters (who had made a trip to London without him), and the three died when the boat sank.  To be able to compose a song trusting God like that in the midst of a tragedy shows a person who is a spiritual giant.

When we don’t know how to pray, w can pray in the Spirit.

1 Corinthians 14 speaks about that if you want to read about praying in the spirit.

A question was asked about false teachers and prophets.

2 Corinthians 11:12-15  But what I do, I will also continue to do, that I may cut off the opportunity from those who desire an opportunity to be regarded just as we are in the things of which they boast.  For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into apostles of Christ.  And no wonder! For Satan himself transforms himself into an angel of light. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also transform themselves into ministers of righteousness, whose end will be according to their works.

There are some who will try to puff themselves up and pretend to be like Paul and the Apostles, but they are not of God. They will say they have a revelation that no one else has, and will not answer you when you question their revelation – pretending to have greater knowledge than you. There is no open dialogue with them. They will speak of the mysteries that God is supposedly revealing to them, but they are inventing something that is not in the Word of God.

In the book of Acts we read story after story of believers who are operating with the Holy Spirit, being led by the Holy Spirit and great miracles are performed. We are still living in the times of the Book of Acts and can do the same miracles and things demonstrated there if we are willing to be led by the Holy Spirit.

Someone asked about how do you know if a person praying in tongues is praying because of the Holy Spirit and not just doing a fleshly sounding like they are praying in tongues.

1 Corinthians 14:2 For he who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men but to God, for no one understands him; however, in the spirit he speaks mysteries.
1 Corinthians 14:4  He who speaks in a tongue edifies himself, but he who prophesies edifies the church.

There are two types of tongues, private prayer life and tongues that are prophesy. The one builds up the individual saint, the other is there to help build up the Body of Christ. Sometimes those in church get a tongue and do not ask God if it is a tongue for personal edification or a tongue for the Church. In Corinth the saints were out of order in how they prayed and there was far too much praying in tongues – that can lead to confusion and God is not a God of confusion. So Paul sent a word of correction to the Church, but he did not tell them to stop praying in tongues. Not all words that we receive from God are for the whole Church, some are just for our personal edification, or for a time in the future when we need to know something. We need discernment.

1 Corinthians 14:13 Therefore let him who speaks in a tongue pray that he may interpret.

We can ask God for an interpretation of our tongues. When we pray in our prayer language, ask the Holy Spirit what you just prayed. He will give us understanding. We will know in the Spirit, that’s what I just said in tongues.

1 Corinthians 14:14 For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays, but my understanding is unfruitful.

With tongues our spirit prays but we may not understand what we are praying.

1 Corinthians 14:15 What is the conclusion then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will also pray with the understanding. I will sing with the spirit, and I will also sing with the understanding.

Paul is not telling the Church to not pray in tongues, but rather to use discernment – to pray in the Spirit and at the correct time instead of praying in the Spirit, pray with understanding. Discern which way we should pray. But Paul says to DO BOTH. The main purpose though is to make sure that as many as possible are edified. He would rather pray with understanding to make sure all understand, but at the same time he also prays with tongues.

1 Corinthians 14:18 I thank my God I speak with tongues more than you all;

Paul states that he speaks in tongues more than the other believers. What is the fruit of that? He wrote 62% of the New Testament. He prayed in tongues lots, should we not emulate him?

Praying your day is blessed.



About Heather Marsten

Welcome to Heather's Blog. I'm looking forward to meeting you and checking out your sites. I just moved about nine years of material over from another blog site, Xanga, who may close down mid-July. At first I was disappointed to make the move because I had a lifetime membership at Xanga and had to spend weeks transferring posts. But now I'm thrilled. Already I've met new bloggers and read many new websites. Blogging is a wonderful way to expand my horizons and garner new ideas. I'm a happily married mom of three young adults. My husband and I are proud to watch our children grow and venture out into the world. My daughter is still in college but my two sons have graduated. One has a job and the other just graduated and is in the process of finding a job in his field, physics. Anyone know of any jobs out there? I'm proud of our children and love watching them grow and mature. They've become fine, compassionate, and loving people. Empty nest? Nah, I'm too busy to let an empty nest bother me. Not enough hours in the day. My husband and I enjoy quiet time together and I have many interests to pursue - one of which is blogging :D I am a born-again believer and love God. As you read this blog, you will discover that Bible studies thrill me. There is so much wisdom contained between the covers of the Bible and I am fortunate to sit under the teachings of a remarkable pastor, Pastor Don Moore. Members of our church (Living Word Chapel in West Hurley, New York) are encouraged to teach and there are visiting pastors who stop by our church, I also study the Bible on my own and love sharing what I learn. One other passion is writing. My current work in process is a memoir. A scene from my memoir was published in a book called: Heavenly Company: Entertaining Angels Unaware - an anthology of angelic encounters compiled by Cecil Murphy. I'm hoping my memoir will encourage other survivors of abuse. I grew up in a home filled with abuse, including incest. For most of my life I was searching for something that would fill the void of not being loved by my parents. I tried many ways to find that love -- therapy, relationships, occult studies, and keeping my life so filled I had no way to think about my past. It was only when I discovered God that I was able to put the pieces of my life back together and walk forward in a joyous life. My nickname - wondering has changed from wondering where the heck God was in my life, to wondering what incredible adventure is going to happen next. I hope you enjoy my site. Please say hi, share some thoughts, and ask questions. I look forward to meeting you and checking out your sites. Have a blessed day. Heather
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