More background for Isaiah by Pastor Don Moore

Tuesday, June 30, 2009

More background for Isaiah by Pastor Don

This Bible study was done on 6/5 and it is part review because there were many newcomers who were not at the previous Bible study and Pastor Don wanted all to begin the study of Isaiah with the same background.  The review is good, we can never review too much when it comes to the Bible, and Pastor Don gave a lot of new information as well.

We live in a world that is physical but there are forces working in the world that are not physical – not all are good.

Pastor Don said there are unbiblical words we use to describe the supernatural forces  such as woman’s intuition, premonitions, deja vous, psychic intuition, etc.

Notice – they have women’s intuition, but not man-intuition.

Biblically we do have access to information that is not normally available in the natural – it is through the Holy Spirit.

A mom will know her child is in trouble, even if there are no external facts about it.

There are spiritual forces in the world working all the time.  Men are slow to pay attention.  Men are focused more on detail.  An example was given about men and women shopping.  Men go straight to what they want to purchase, women like to shop around, compare prices, try things on, etc.

When we sleep or dream, our life is reflected in the dream.  There are voices that speak in our mind and urge us to do stupid things as a result of it.  The supernatural affects the natural.

82% of crimes fall in the age range of 16-24

75% of crimes are under the influence of a drug.

We are more inclined to do stupid things under the age of 30.

If we are convinced by the world that it is psychology and life challenges, we will not have the spiritual discernment to realize that often it is God good – devil bad.

Unless we, as Christians, consent to it, the demon has no authority. If it is supernatural decision there is no fleshly baggage connected with the decision, you won’t have hurt feelings, and there will be no bias associated with the decision.

Sometimes we excuse something as a demonic when we are just trying to get our way.  Even if it isn’t spiritual there will be a problem anyway.

Genesis 6 lets us know where demons come from, and from the time of Adam and Eve there has been a war with the forces of God and evil.

Genesis 6:1-4  Now it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born to them, that the sons of God saw the daughters of men, that they were beautiful; and they took wives for themselves of all whom they chose. And the LORD said, “My Spirit shall not strive with man forever, for he is indeed flesh; yet his days shall be one hundred and twenty years.” There were giants on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown.

These are the giants, the nephalim, anak, ungodly offspring of the sons of God (fallen angels) and the daughters of  men from Adam and Eve.  Many of the mythological characters we know in the world were the result of this.  King David slew Goliath and Goliath had four brothers.  There are ancient human skeletons that are 9-10 feet tall.

Genesis 6:5 Then the LORD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.

EVERY INTENT!!! They did evil CONTINUALLY.  This is a new species of men, descendants of evil seed.  The Bible is its own dictionary.  Who are these sons of God?  What does Jesus say?

Luke 20:34 Jesus answered and said to them, “The sons of this age marry and are given in marriage.

This was 2000 years ago, at the time when Jesus was on earth.  And this will occur until He comes again.

Luke 20:35 But those who are counted worthy to attain that age, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry nor are given in marriage;

After the Rapture and the Second Coming of Christ there won’t be marriage.

Luke 20:36 nor can they die anymore, for they are equal to the angels and are sons of God, being sons of the resurrection.

Man is special, he lives in a body and has a soul.  If we drop dead, our brain and heart stop working, and our vessel, the flesh decays when we die.  It has been recorded that when we die we lose weight – 2 pounds 2 ounces (that is how much our Spirit weighs).  Our Spirit leaves our physical body.

Pastor Don told us when we go to sleep our spirit is still conscious, that spirit is still awake.  If we as a parent were sleeping and there was something wrong with our baby, the spirit would wake us up and tell us to go get the baby.

Pastor Don shared an experience where the spirit woke him up.  He was a passenger in a car coming home from work, and was sound asleep in the car. His spirit told him to wake up, and Pastor Don told us he had a debate with himself, wanting to sleep.  And the spirit told him to wake up NOW.  They were going 55 miles an hour and a flatbed truck was coming toward them in their lane.  The driver of Pastor Don’s car did not see it.  Pastor Don grabbed the steering wheel and spun the car to the right-hand lane.  The accident was averted.  His friend who was driving did not see the truck and if Pastor Don had not been awakened by his Spirit, they would have both been dead.

Pastor Don told us that the spirit never sleeps but we forget how to get in touch with it.

We are not human beings having a spiritual experience, but we are spirit beings having a human experience. God will tell us marvelous and wonderful things.

When we die we are equal and can call ourselves sons of God just as Jesus calls the angels.

Psalm 37:4 Delight yourself also in the LORD, and He shall give you the desires of your heart.

God gave us the desires of our heart, and what we do with it is what binds you together.  Are you committed to the desire of your heart?

For example, a marriage covenant is a blood covenant. It isn’t about soul mates.  God knows the ones who He could pick for you, and He can direct you toward the right one, but if you choose the wrong person, and marry them, you are in blood covenant with them.  It is not God who gave you the wrong relationship, you just didn’t wait for God’s best for you.

We will all be the Bride of Christ (male and female), and as the Bride of Christ there cannot be a second husband.  No one will be in their prior marriage.  We are all sons of God and Brides of Christ.  There is only one marriage in Heaven.

So where do demons come from?  The nephalim die and the spirits left the bodies, but those spirits were not permitted in Heaven.  They are the offspring of angels and men.

Pastor Don told us to read Jude 6-7  And the angels who did not keep their proper domain, but left their own abode, He has reserved in everlasting chains under darkness for the judgment of the great day; as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities around them in a similar manner to these, having given themselves over to sexual immorality and gone after strange flesh, are set forth as an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

2 Peter 2:4-5 For if God did not spare the angels who sinned, but cast them down to hell and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved for judgment; and did not spare the ancient world, but saved Noah, one of eight people, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood on the world of the ungodly;

Hebrews 2:5-9 For He has not put the world to come, of which we speak, in subjection to angels. But one testified in a certain place, saying: “What is man that You are mindful of him, or the son of man that You take care of him? You have made him a little lower than the angels; You have crowned him with glory and honor, and set him over the works of Your hands. You have put all things in subjection under his feet.” For in that He put all in subjection under him, He left nothing that is not put under him. But now we do not yet see all things put under him. But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels, for the suffering of death crowned with glory and honor, that He, by the grace of God, might taste death for everyone.

God was displeased with the offspring of this mating and the angels were violating the law.  Not only had they rebelled against God but now they had committed gross sin.

We can get into trouble if we act on our own, even if we are trying to do right.

Pastor Don was asked more about the angels and he told us there were groups of angels, not all committed these gross sins, but they had still rebelled.

The angels rebelled against God. Pastor Don gave us Isaiah 14 to read.  I checked them out and picked the following passages:  Isaiah 14:12-21  “How you are fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! How you are cut down to the ground, you who weakened the nations! For you have said in your heart: ‘I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God; I will also sit on the mount of the congregation on the farthest sides of the north; I will ascend above the heights of the clouds, I will be like the Most High.’ Yet you shall be brought down to Sheol, to the lowest depths of the Pit. “Those who see you will gaze at you, and consider you, saying: ‘Is this the man who made the earth tremble,  who shook kingdoms, who made the world as a wilderness and destroyed its cities, who did not open the house of his prisoners?’ “All the kings of the nations, all of them, sleep in glory, everyone in his own house; but you are cast out of your grave like an abominable branch, like the garment of those who are slain, thrust through with a sword, who go down to the stones of the pit, like a corpse trodden underfoot. You will not be joined with them in burial, because you have destroyed your land and slain your people. The brood of evildoers shall never be named. Prepare slaughter for his children because of the iniquity of their fathers, lest they rise up and possess the land, and fill the face of the world with cities.”

Lucifer rebelled against God.  He was an angel of light and led the praise and worship in Heaven.  He tried to take God’s authority.

If you are gifted and talented — stay humble.

Demons and tormenting spirits are stuck on the earth until the end time.  Demons are not huge but they seek bodies to possess – remember the demoniac of the Gaderines had a legion of demons in him, which could mean about 6000 demons.

When the demons take over a person they cannot take over the entire will of a person.  There is seldom anyone who is totally possessed.  The will of man is given by God, and there are certain things that a demon cannot make a person do.  For example, one possessed woman that Lester Sumerall dealt with would never do sexual sin although she did other actions that were very demonic, she drew the line at sexual sin.  The demonic of the Gaderines had enough will to get him to Jesus for healing.  He had enough will to run to Jesus and worship him.  Part of the demoniac of Gaderine’s will was not broken.

Pastor Don talked about being possessed and oppressed.  We don’t have a specific line where it crosses from being oppressed to being possessed.

When Jesus cast the demons out he did not send them to Heaven or hell, for it was not the judgment day.  The demons asked Jesus if He was going to judge them before the time.  The demons suggested going into the pigs – pigs were unclean to the Jews.  The Gaderines had no business raising pigs but they chose to do so to earn money from the Gentiles.  The pigs, once the demons entered them, went over the cliff, and then the demons came out of the dead pigs, looking for a new body.

Demons look for weaknesses.  They can’t read our thoughts, but they do read our actions.

When asked what do you do when you cast out demons, Pastor Don told us he forbids them from returning to the host and to leave the premises.  But a person who has been delivered from a demon can will that the demon come back.  Not everyone wants to be freed from what is oppressing or possessing them.

Pastor Don told us that he is careful when he does cast out demons for demons love a show, so he often waits until many in the church have left the meeting and only those few who stay who are saved and filled with the authority of the believer are present.

The purpose of the church is to equip the called. The whole book of Isaiah is about Spiritual warfare from it’s beginning to it’s ending.

Then Pastor Don turned the Bible study over to Vickie and Ed Gabler who were visiting from Florida.  They added some input. I will share that with you in separate posts.

Praying your day is blessed.



About Heather Marsten

Welcome to Heather's Blog. I'm looking forward to meeting you and checking out your sites. I just moved about nine years of material over from another blog site, Xanga, who may close down mid-July. At first I was disappointed to make the move because I had a lifetime membership at Xanga and had to spend weeks transferring posts. But now I'm thrilled. Already I've met new bloggers and read many new websites. Blogging is a wonderful way to expand my horizons and garner new ideas. I'm a happily married mom of three young adults. My husband and I are proud to watch our children grow and venture out into the world. My daughter is still in college but my two sons have graduated. One has a job and the other just graduated and is in the process of finding a job in his field, physics. Anyone know of any jobs out there? I'm proud of our children and love watching them grow and mature. They've become fine, compassionate, and loving people. Empty nest? Nah, I'm too busy to let an empty nest bother me. Not enough hours in the day. My husband and I enjoy quiet time together and I have many interests to pursue - one of which is blogging :D I am a born-again believer and love God. As you read this blog, you will discover that Bible studies thrill me. There is so much wisdom contained between the covers of the Bible and I am fortunate to sit under the teachings of a remarkable pastor, Pastor Don Moore. Members of our church (Living Word Chapel in West Hurley, New York) are encouraged to teach and there are visiting pastors who stop by our church, I also study the Bible on my own and love sharing what I learn. One other passion is writing. My current work in process is a memoir. A scene from my memoir was published in a book called: Heavenly Company: Entertaining Angels Unaware - an anthology of angelic encounters compiled by Cecil Murphy. I'm hoping my memoir will encourage other survivors of abuse. I grew up in a home filled with abuse, including incest. For most of my life I was searching for something that would fill the void of not being loved by my parents. I tried many ways to find that love -- therapy, relationships, occult studies, and keeping my life so filled I had no way to think about my past. It was only when I discovered God that I was able to put the pieces of my life back together and walk forward in a joyous life. My nickname - wondering has changed from wondering where the heck God was in my life, to wondering what incredible adventure is going to happen next. I hope you enjoy my site. Please say hi, share some thoughts, and ask questions. I look forward to meeting you and checking out your sites. Have a blessed day. Heather
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