Discernment, revival thoughts, anointing by Pastor Don Moore

Tuesday, June 09, 2009

Discernment, revival thoughts, anointing by Pastor Don

We are not emerging to be as effective as what we are called to do without the price of self examination.  We can get conned by the devil if we are not noticing what we are doing.  People attribute God ability to the devil, attribute godness to a fallen angel. God can read hearts, satan can’t.  Satan is not infinite and omnipresent. He needs legions of demonic spirits to get his work done.  The work is often done by reaction, not action.  He is bound by the same rules God put on Himself.

The only way God can operate on earth is by getting permission from us.  God gave us dominion, and God puts His Word above Himself.  Anything wrong with us, sickness, mental illness, etc. if we want to deal with it from a strong place, we have to define it according to the Word of God.

Sometimes we wake up in a great mood, in the middle of the day it seems to be a good day, but as the day progresses we begin to see it is not going to be a great day.  There are many times when our mood change is not because of our circumstances, but because there are forces in the world that can have an effect on us.

We need to know what authority has been given to us.  Devils and demons are ready to come into any door we open to them by casual conversation or our actions.  If we get up and say, “I hope I have a good day,”  and a demonic force hears that, they know that they have a way to get at you.

Demons are not everywhere.  There are only 1/3 of the angels that fell . Demons are dead spirits of the nephalim and anakin that were destroyed on the earth because of the flood.

John 8:44 You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own resources, for he is a liar and the father of it.

What happens to us is according to what we have faith for.  God is waiting on you, but so is the enemy.

John 8:37 I know that you are Abraham’s descendants, but you seek to kill Me, because My word has no place in you.

Jesus is speaking to the scribes and pharisees. Jesus knew the plan they had to take Him to the cross.  But the truths Jesus is speaking is not reaching these scribes and pharisees.  Sometimes when we share the Word of God with others we too can see that that truth is rejected by them.  You can minister to certain people and feel like you are not getting anywhere.  You can’t judge people during that time period.  Some of the people closest to you need someone else to minister to them.  We need to believe that, since God saved you, He can save them.  Acts 16:31 So they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you will be saved, you and your household.  Joshua 24:15 And if it seems evil to you to serve the LORD, choose for yourselves this day whom you will serve, whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the River, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land you dwell. But as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD.

Remember, those around you are looking at your walk, not listening to your thoughts.

John 8:38-39 I speak what I have seen with My Father, and you do what you have seen with your father.” They answered and said to Him, “Abraham is our father.” Jesus said to them, “If you were Abraham’s children, you would do the works of Abraham.”

Follow Abraham’s example.

John 8:40 But now you seek to kill Me, a Man who has told you the truth which I heard from God. Abraham did not do this.

Abraham did not do this.

John 8:41-42 You do the deeds of your father.” Then they said to Him, “We were not born of fornication; we have one Father—God.” Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love Me, for I proceeded forth and came from God; nor have I come of Myself, but He sent Me.

Here is another criterion, to love Him (Jesus).

John 8:43-44  Why do you not understand My speech? Because you are not able to listen to My word. You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own resources, for he is a liar and the father of it.

Here is the punch line.  When we do not listen to Jesus we put our resources on a liar.

Not all are Children of God, many hate God and do not want to be His Child.  And God will not force Himself on them, for to them being with God would seem like hell.  He waits until they want Him.

Many people come to God through many different paths.  If God is their Father they will begin to distinguish the voice of the Spirit and the voice of different spirits.  They will hear Yeshua and begin to see that they were looking for God in all the wrong places.

In 1803 a missionary went to the Native Americans and started talking to them about God and one of the Native Americans said to the missionary, “Oh, you are talking about the Great Spirit.”  God will speak to the hearts of all people of all faiths.

Right now we see the muslim faith seem to increase, the taliban are moving into Afghanistan, sharia law is being enacted.  The muslims are going into villages and killing Christians, beating and murdering children and believers.  Police stand by and do nothing, but the muslims do not tolerate other religions.  Yet we are seeing instances where good muslims are hearing the voice of Yeshua, even when there are no people there to tell them about Him.  We need to remember that allah is NOT Jehovah. That mohammed and Jesus are not buddies.  Once the muslims get a toe hold in a country they seek to increase the muslim population, close down churches, and at some point get into power, then they will begin to punish those who do not adhere to the muslim faith.

Everyone does not have God the Father and His love in their hearts.  Many hear other spirit voices that are not of God.

Matthew 7:13 Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it.

This is from personal instructions that Jesus Christ gave.  These instructions are 3-4 chapters long.  After speaking and teaching a model prayer, he is talking to people who want to be his disciples.

Matthew 7:14 Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it.

Evangelists get up and say get the Gospel to the world, thinking that our job is to save the whole world.  Saying we want to save West Hurley and surrounding areas.  The truth is that we want to save all chosen for salvation, but we don’t know who those are.  Yes, God does not want any to perish, but there are many who do not want God in their lives.  We can present the Word and it will not be heard.  What we need to do is to keep speaking the Gospel truth to everyone and waiting for those who are wanting to receive it.  When the Gospel is preached to the ends of the earth, the end will come – so we want to preach the Gospel everywhere, but that is not saying that all will receive the truth of the Gospel, just that they will hear it preached so that they can make a decision.

When we fish in the pond we hope that we will catch fish for the Lord, 10, 20, 20,000, or more.  To fish, we pick a spot that looks good on the surface – trees over the water, rocks, and figure out where the fish might be under the surface and cast our line there.  We could be dead wrong.

Sometimes when we share the Gospel on the surface it looks like it fell to the ground, but we don’t know what is going on under the surface of the person we reached out to.

The Wisdom of the Bible is that God has put in unholy places special blessings in our lives.  What looks like something that is bad and gone wrong, can lead us to that narrow way and into salvation.  God speaks to us individually and uses our way of looking at the world to reach us.

Verse 14 is difficult.  When we come to the Lord, it does not mean that our life will be easy.  People suffer as Christians and face challenges.  Paul never married.  Many of the early Apostles, and many Christians died martyrs’ deaths.  Jesus never married.   And there are persecutions that many Christians face for their beliefs.

Matthew 7:15 Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves.

Jesus is getting even more personal here.  This is why we need to examine ourselves, where we are and who we are messing with.  Know when you are being had.  It is easy to get lost in the glitter, the charisma of a leader, but you need to look and examine yourself to see if you are being had.  You need to test the fruit of prophet.  For example, Todd Bentley, people did not discern all about him.  Some made judgments based on external appearance and tattoos, but what the real problem was was a problem of lust.  So what about those lives that Todd Bentley touched?  Does his actions invalidate what happened in those lives and those salvations?  No. GOD WILL USE WHO HE HAS TO GO GET TO WHO HE NEEDS TO.  But if the vessel being used is impure, it will be judged.  We want to get under someone who will teach us the truth.

Jonathan Edwards used to send a person to pray before he entered a town for revival.  They prayed and fasted for weeks, then Jonathan Edwards showed up.  Pastor Don told us of a time when Jonathan Edwards went to a town and at a dance hall someone asked him to dance.  He said that he prayed before everything he did. He began to pray and the musicians fell down, the people there fell down and finally he was the only one standing.  All fell under the sovereign power of God.

When a revival comes, God drops in on His Church, and touches lives.  He gives us an opportunity to taste and see that the Lord is good.  The revival does not have to be propped up, or the fires of revival fanned.  God’s got more for us.

Acts 2:17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, says God, that I will pour out of My Spirit on all flesh; your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your young men shall see visions, your old men shall dream dreams.

When it says “pour out”  it means liberally, not a sprinkling, not some at a meeting and others don’t.  Everyone will prophesy.

Acts 2:18 And on My menservants and on My maidservants I will pour out My Spirit in those days; and they shall prophesy.

God’s Spirit is so strong that even the heathen will prophesy.

Acts 2:19-20  I will show wonders in heaven above and signs in the earth beneath: blood and fire and vapor of smoke. The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the coming of the great and awesome day of the LORD.

These signs are also part of these days.  In Israel in 1994 they had a blood moon, but it was not a global blood moon.  In 2012 – 2015 there will be eclipses during the major Feast Days.

Acts 2:21 And it shall come to pass that whoever calls on the name of the LORD shall be saved

These outpourings of expressions of God’s love will mean that we won’t have to find the fish, but the fish will come to us.  Right after September 11 there were many who came to church and 12 got saved.  Of those twelve, only two remained.

The Gospel is preached to 2/3 of the world and only 1/3 is left that hasn’t heard the Gospel.

Discernment is from God.  How do we discern His mind when we have to make a decision?  We have to know ourselves and know God well enough, so that we can see it, judge it according to God’s Word.

When people do not know God, they get upset, when they see one miracle happening to one person and not another.  They don’t understand all the reasons behind what happens and they tend to get angry at God.

To tell the difference from a revival and a meeting you have to go to Acts 2 to see – in Acts 2 you see that in that outpouring EVERYONE gets wet.  At a meeting some get wet, but not others.

Because God is moving doesn’t mean that everyone is in the flow.  A cloud can be raining where you are and that’s a meeting, but it’s not an outpouring.  When God does an outpouring everyone gets wet.

To discern, we have to be committed to hearing the Word of God no matter what He says.  I will obey what he says.  If I discern it is of God or not of God, we have to act according to what God would want.

We have to be sure we know ourselves, that we make a decision that is not from our flesh, but from our flowing in the Spirit.  Be willing to examine ourselves.  Am I in the Spirit or hanging out?  we have to be a prayer person and say, “I am not afraid.”  Fear cannot occupy the same space as discernment.  Fear can cause you to see it differently. If you are afraid, you can’t discern.  There is no room for judgment.  Just because a person is oppressed with a demon does not mean that they are evil.  We need to discern spirits, discern spirits of a person and discern when to act or not to act regarding what you observe.

We don’t know why God is showing us what He is showing us.  Sometimes it is for our information, or for future times, other times it is to act immediately.  When a great spiritual leader falls, someone should not judge the balance of their ego.  Their flesh needs feeding, unless that person is truly humble, they may have other areas of weakness.  People can fake being humble.

STAY HUMBLE about what God shows you and don’t get puffed up.  Ask questions.  “Now Lord, what do you want me to do?”  If you don’t do these steps, God can’t trust you with discernment.

If our ego is not under the humbling hand of God, everything is not in good order.  Some things need to be done privately, not publicly.

Pray the Daniel prayer to ask God to show you the secret hidden things.

Daniel 2:20-23 Daniel answered and said:  “Blessed be the name of God forever and ever, for wisdom and might are His. And He changes the times and the seasons; He removes kings and raises up kings; He gives wisdom to the wise and knowledge to those who have understanding. He reveals deep and secret things; He knows what is in the darkness, and light dwells with Him. I thank You and praise You, O God of my fathers;  You have given me wisdom and might, and have now made known to me what we asked of You, for You have made known to us the king’s demand.”

Daniel stayed humble.  He kept his focus on God and serving God.

When we go to meetings and revivals we need to pray that God shows us what is the wheat and that we can spit out the tares.  At meetings devils are coming and going and it is possible to catch one.  So we need to walk into the meeting prayed up and covered.

What we are doing is not as important as what God is doing.  Some people who pray for others in the group shove people down.  Some choose to do courtesy falls just to get away from a shover.  Make sure that the person is operating in the direction of God, listening to God, and obeying God.  Know that God covers us and pray, “Lord, if there is something I need to see, direct my eyes to it, focus my eyes on it so that I see clearly what it is you want me to see.”  Maybe we are not going to a meeting for ourselves but to minister to a person.

Examine and see the people leading the meeting.  Are they pulling for an offering or believing God for an offering?  Yes, people will ask for offerings, but there is a point where the line is crossed.  Are they believing God for provision?  Know the purpose of the meeting.  Some want impartation, and come up even when the leader has said that they were praying for another reason.  Pastor Don shared how at one meeting he attended the leader wanted to pray for those suffering depression, and at first a few people went up, but after a time when the power of God was touching those, more from the congregation came up for prayer – many who did not have depression.  The leader saw that and told those people that they were disobedient to God, and would most probably go home depressed.

Try to avoid sitting in the back of a meeting, for that is where the most doubt and unbelief is.

I know this is a lot to take in, but Pastor Don was responding to questions in the group.  It was hard to figure out where to split the study into two parts.

Praying your day is blessed.



About Heather Marsten

Welcome to Heather's Blog. I'm looking forward to meeting you and checking out your sites. I just moved about nine years of material over from another blog site, Xanga, who may close down mid-July. At first I was disappointed to make the move because I had a lifetime membership at Xanga and had to spend weeks transferring posts. But now I'm thrilled. Already I've met new bloggers and read many new websites. Blogging is a wonderful way to expand my horizons and garner new ideas. I'm a happily married mom of three young adults. My husband and I are proud to watch our children grow and venture out into the world. My daughter is still in college but my two sons have graduated. One has a job and the other just graduated and is in the process of finding a job in his field, physics. Anyone know of any jobs out there? I'm proud of our children and love watching them grow and mature. They've become fine, compassionate, and loving people. Empty nest? Nah, I'm too busy to let an empty nest bother me. Not enough hours in the day. My husband and I enjoy quiet time together and I have many interests to pursue - one of which is blogging :D I am a born-again believer and love God. As you read this blog, you will discover that Bible studies thrill me. There is so much wisdom contained between the covers of the Bible and I am fortunate to sit under the teachings of a remarkable pastor, Pastor Don Moore. Members of our church (Living Word Chapel in West Hurley, New York) are encouraged to teach and there are visiting pastors who stop by our church, I also study the Bible on my own and love sharing what I learn. One other passion is writing. My current work in process is a memoir. A scene from my memoir was published in a book called: Heavenly Company: Entertaining Angels Unaware - an anthology of angelic encounters compiled by Cecil Murphy. I'm hoping my memoir will encourage other survivors of abuse. I grew up in a home filled with abuse, including incest. For most of my life I was searching for something that would fill the void of not being loved by my parents. I tried many ways to find that love -- therapy, relationships, occult studies, and keeping my life so filled I had no way to think about my past. It was only when I discovered God that I was able to put the pieces of my life back together and walk forward in a joyous life. My nickname - wondering has changed from wondering where the heck God was in my life, to wondering what incredible adventure is going to happen next. I hope you enjoy my site. Please say hi, share some thoughts, and ask questions. I look forward to meeting you and checking out your sites. Have a blessed day. Heather
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