2 Corinthians 5 Discipleship class notes by Pastor Don Moore

Saturday, November 22, 2008

2 Corinthians 5 by Pastor Don

Pastor Don reminded us that the epistles were not written in chapter and verse, but were a continuous letter.

2 Corinthians 5:1-2 For we know that if our earthly house, this tent, is destroyed, we have a building from God, a house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens.  For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed with our habitation which is from heaven,

We are earnestly desiring. Right now we are alive and well on planet earth.   Heaven is our hope.  In Heaven something earnestly desires to clothe us even though we are down here on earth.  We can think about our experiences here, but it is important to remember that Heaven is a real place.

Everything we are doing down on earth is already seen by God.  God saw us before we were born, God saw what we are doing before it happened.

2 Corinthians 5:3-4 if indeed, having been clothed, we shall not be found naked. For we who are in this tent groan, being burdened, not because we want to be unclothed, but further clothed, that mortality may be swallowed up by life.

We really want to be in our heavenly bodies, no pain, death, sickness and having the Mind of Christ.  We want our mortality to be swallowed up by life – Heavenly life.

2 Corinthians 5:5 Now He who has prepared us for this very thing is God, who also has given us the Spirit as a guarantee.

We have been given the Spirit as a guarantee, we know some stuff.

Pastor Don asked how many in the room have a dollar.  Everyone raised their hand, and he told us that having that dollar is a guarantee that we are not broke.  We can do business.

The Spirit of God inside of us is a guarantee of Heaven, and the Spirit inside of us guides us down here.  We need to learn how to practice listening and doing what our spirit is telling us.

We need to know that we have eternal life, that earth is temporary, that there is a God, and that everything will be all right in the end.  He then asked us if we have ever met someone and instantly had a sense about whether we wanted to be around them or not.  That is our spirit helping us.  We can be more assured of things we don’t know, because of our spirit.  Before you take that job or buy that car do you ask God, did the Holy Spirit give you guidance?  If you consult your Spirit, you can save yourself a lot of grief.

A lot of us do not trust the Spirit and we rethink things.  Our minds can mess us up every time. Sometimes the Spirit gives us an answer we don’t want to hear.  Often we act before we hear from the Spirit.

When we pray, we believe we will get it, then time goes by and we are not receiving what we prayed for.  We begin to wonder, well maybe God did not show up, things didn’t work out the way that we thought.  Maybe God didn’t hear.  Maybe we prayed the wrong prayer.  Maybe, we reason, God doesn’t do that anymore, he doesn’t heal or do miracles.  Some may think we need to save things for the big problems, not our little concerns.

2 Corinthians 5:5 Now He who has prepared us for this very thing is God, who also has given us the Spirit as a guarantee.

God gives us the Spirit to confirm.  We are prepared for a spiritual body and we have a guarantee of the Spirit down here on earth, a guarantee that there is a Spirit body in Heaven.

The Jews look for signs, so for them it is often easier to be healed.  In their search for signs, Jews have lately been taken in by the new age and they spend their time looking for the right guru. Pastor Don told us about a person he knew that was studying under a guru.  This guru was soon going to die and the guru asked the person if he could upon death come and take over the person’s spirit.  The person agreed to that.  So when the guru died, a phone call was made to the person to be ready to receive the guru’s spirit.  The guru came into the person’s body and along with it also came all the sicknesses that the guru had at the point of death.  The man was knocked down to the floor and was sick from that time.  He came to our church and got freed from this, and was dancing in the aisles.  The man’s wife was into reikki and watched her husband healed.  She then started doing some of her “treatments” for him and he began to get sicker again.  His spirit became dominated by a stronger spirit and ultimately he ended up in a nursing home and died.

Years later, the woman was also sick and dying, and had cancer throughout her body. Her son called and said that his mom was calling for Pastor Don. Pastor Don and Pastor Abraham (who was visiting from India) went to see her. When they went into the room, they saw facing her bed was a picture of her guru.  She ran out of things to do and had no peace. Seven of her “healing” students who were learning from her, were ministering to her and nothing happened.  Pastor Abraham told her that this Indian guru, will not help her, that she will die, but she needs to renounce this stuff or she will not make it – there is no peace in gurus.  Pastor Abraham told her he was from India, and that this man (guru) is nothing, his gods are imaginary, that Jesus is the answer.  That Jesus is her Messiah.

Pastor Don asked her, why did you send for me?  She told him that when she thought about all her students, friends, and family that only Pastor Don would be the one to look after her son.   The guarantee of the Spirit helped her to realize her wrong thinking and theology, and she became aware of how it was all nonsense.  She prayed and accepted Jesus and went to live with the Lord.  Pastor Don and Cynthia took care of her son.

Another person came to our church who had her spirit dominated by a stronger spirit who wanted to come into our church to disrupt the service.  Pastor Don prayed and the Holy Spirit knocked this person down and the person was out for the rest of the service.  She wanted to know what happened.  Pastor Don told her, “The power of God is stronger than the stuff you do.”

One day he was teaching on Melchizedek on a TV show, and as we know from our studies there is no one on earth except Jesus, who could be a priest in the order of Melchizedek, for the criterion listed in Hebrews 7:3 without father, without mother, without genealogy, having neither beginning of days nor end of life, but made like the Son of God, remains a priest continually. The first criterion is enough to disqualify us, without father, without mother, without genealogy. That disqualifies any person – only God could meet that criterion. So anyone who is ordained according to the order of Melchizedek is not ordained correctly.  A person came to Pastor Don and offered him that for $24.95 (it is probably more now) that he could gain ordination as a Priest in the Order of Melchizedek.

We need to realize that we do not listen to different spirits, but the Spirit of God gives us a guarantee that it is Him – a guarantee we can trust for the Spirit and the Word agree.

When a person is depressed, a spirit of depression drops in, but we can tell ourselves, “I’m not going to stay depressed.  We can be burdened with financial problems, but tell ourselves that we will get through this and that things will be alright.

2 Corinthians 5:6  So we are always confident, knowing that while we are at home in the body we are absent from the Lord.

While we are stuck on the planet earth we are absent from the Lord.  We know God, but are still functioning in our carnal and fleshly body.  That’s ok, because we have a guarantee.  ALWAYS! At home in the body, not at war with our self, we have the spirit guaranteeing you.

We looked at the same passage in different translations.

NIV. Therefore we are always confident and know that as long as we are at home in the body we are away from the Lord.

KJV Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord:

AMP So then, we are always full of good and hopeful and confident courage; we know that while we are at home in the body, we are abroad from the home with the Lord [that is promised us].

Because of that understanding, we know God sees everything.  We know God’s promise is there for us and what we have on earth is a momentary separation.  We have a future fact we can trust in.  Because of our spirit, we are connected to the Holy Spirit, and thus we know we have that guarantee.  We get so trapped with what we are going through on earth we forget what our spirit is telling us.

Pastor Don shared that one day he was to preach and he ended up with a cramp in his leg.  He had a thought go through his mind that he was having a massive stroke and had to get help now, that when he straightened out his leg the clot would go to his brain.  Pastor Don rejected that thought and commanded his leg to do what it had to do.  Not all thoughts are our thoughts, some are dropped into our minds by the enemy and we need to discern what is a true thought from a lie from the enemy.  In this case it was a lie from the enemy.  Our mind can stress us to death with demonic thoughts.  Pastor Don’s mind was trying to tell him that his father had a stroke and he was overdue for a stroke.  He spoke the truth of divine healing to his spirit and that fear and feeling went away.

2 Corinthians 5:7 (we used NKJV, but Amp. is so awesome I am going to use it here) For we walk by faith [we regulate our lives and conduct ourselves by our conviction or belief respecting man’s relationship to God and divine things, with trust and holy fervor; thus we walk] not by sight or appearance.

It is connected.  2 Corinthians 5:1-6 lets us know that we can be spirit led.  We have the guarantee that it will be OK, no matter our circumstances.  Paul told us that he has been abounded and abased, and is content no matter the physical condition.  We have the Spirit of God.  God is assuring us that we can get through this, and we have to hold onto this truth day by day by day.

We walk by faith.

This is the first half of our discipleship class. I will share the second half tomorrow.

Hoping you are having a warmer Saturday than I am. It is soooo cold here.



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