Knowing God’s Will part 2 by Pastor Don Moore

Tuesday, October 07, 2008

Knowing God’s Will by Pastor Don Part 2

Here is the link to Part One

Romans 8:26-28 Likewise the Spirit also helps in our weaknesses. For we do not know what we should pray for as we ought, but the Spirit Himself makes intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.  Now He who searches the hearts knows what the mind of the Spirit is, because He makes intercession for the saints according to the will of God. And we know that all things work together for good to those who love God, to those who are the called according to His purpose. For whom He foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren.

All things work together for good is only true if the WHOLE verse is applied.  That Christians would only receive good is not accurate, there are bad things that happen to Christians.  When Grandma Jones gets cancer we cannot look at her and say, “All things work together for good.” That would be rather crass, for having cancer is not good from Grandma Jones’ point of view.  That would not be a helpful comment.  Yes, good could come out of her having cancer, but God would not give her cancer just so He could produce good out of it.

We need to take the whole verse in context.  The topic is prayer, and when we pray to learn God’s will.  When we do not know how to pray for a situation, the Holy Spirit helps us to pray, sometimes with groanings which cannot be uttered.  The Holy Spirit, who is God, knows the purpose and will of God, and can help us to pray, sometimes it is nonsyllabic, not intelligible to us communication.  Groans, tears, no words, of the Spirit.  It is a prayer out of our Spirit, and can cause us to travail.  We pray this way when we are brought to a place where our words are not enough, or we are praying for someone else and and we need to get in the Spirit so that we are praying what the person needs, not what we think they need.  We want to agree with the Perfect Will of God.  This kind of prayer can be quick or it can be a concentrated time of prayer.  When we intercede from the Spirit, we enter the deep place of God.  God wants us to come to Him, and while He can, He does not always choose to come up to our shallow level of things. Sometimes we want to pray just 30 seconds and figure that we got it, but sometimes God wants to spend time with us.

Verse 27 tells us that the Spirit HIMSELF intercedes in our hearts.  He knows the Word of the Spirit that we need to pray. The Holy Spirit knows what God is thinking, for the Holy Spirit knows the Mind of God.  The Holy Spirit makes intercession for us.

Proverbs 20:27 The spirit of a man is the lamp of the LORD, searching all the inner depths of his heart.

God’s wisdom reaches into our hearts and souls and knows us.  We don’t always know God’s timing, our what we ought to pray, but the Holy Spirit knows.  He makes intercession for us.  We are weak.  The Holy Spirit intercedes between us and the Father.  He helps to reconcile the Mind of God and the Heart of the saints.

The soul of man is the mind, will, and emotions.  The heart of man, the Spirit of man, the pure you that is born again and has the ability to talk with God, but what God tells our spirit is unfortunately filtered through our soul – our mind, will and emotions.

Does the Father, God have emotions – yes.  The father is a Spirit, and the Spirit has emotions (He can be grieved.)  What we need to do is get to the place where our Spirit is telling our emotions how to feel.  Who is the boss?  When we feel ourselves out of control do we go with our feelings or do we let our Spirit tell us to change our perception and get happy.  We want to get our mind, emotions and will to be subject to our Spirit man, not our natural man.

When God was angry at the Israelites, He told Moses that He had to work up His anger.  God was in charge of His emotions, His emotions were not in charge of Him.  And He was able to change His emotional reaction due to the intercession of Moses.

When we tell ourselves we will have a happy day, we change our perception.  If we say a negative word, something can rise up in you and remind you that we do not talk like that.  We have to learn to listen to what messages we are telling ourselves, and when they are negative, to repent, and then go on with the truth of God.

There are thoughts and feelings and ideas that we have that are not the Holy Spirit’s plan for us.  One simple example has to do with colds.  How often do we tell ourselves when someone has a cold around us that we are going to catch that cold.  We need to rebuke those kinds of thoughts, we don’t have to catch anything.  If we catch it, we can drop it.  We need to pray to the Father and believe that we can get up and be healed.

Are you having a good day?  Pastor Don told us that he determines that He will have one.  He said that we are not to wait until we feel that the day is good before we decide we are having a good day.  That we need to claim that, in spite of circumstances.

Verse 27 tells us that all things work together for good, ACCORDING TO THE WILL OF GOD.  Verse 26 tells us that we don’t always know how to pray, but the Spirit of God makes intercession for the saints ACCORDING TO THE WILL OF GOD.  We are not always certain how to pray for ourselves, much less others.  Sometimes when we are praying for others, we are not praying in agreement with them.  We are praying our will, but not their will, or God’s will for them.  It is not praying in agreement if someone is praying for complete healing for a person, and all they can believe for is that the doctor’s medicine will work over time.  We need to agree in prayer.

The Holy Spirit sometimes is looking for someone willing to be open to let Him intercede through us, and we may not even know who we are praying for, the situation or the result, we are just willing to let the Holy Spirit work through us.

We are to have dominion on the earth according to the covenant God made with Adam (the Adamic Covenant).  We have dominion over all creatures and living things.  But sometimes we forget that we have that dominion.  We need to get above ourselves and pray in the Holy Spirit and let the Holy Spirit use us to pray God’s will on the earth.  When we are obedient that way we are sharing the Work of the Kingdom.  God sometimes gives us a Word of Wisdom about what we are praying, and sometimes when He gives permission we can share that. Other times we are not certain what it is that He is doing through us.

All things work together for good, verse 28 to those who are CALLED ACCORDING TO HIS PURPOSE.  We can pray specific things and situations.  Sometimes circumstances, to our fleshly mind, do not look as if they can work out to the good, but if we keep the criterion in mind – who love Him and are called according to His purpose, THEN all things work together for the good.

When we say that situations that are caused by satan are caused by God we are not speaking the truth.  When Paul and Silas were put in jail, it was not done by Jesus, but satan wanted them in jail to stop their ministry.  Instead, what satan meant for harm, God turned to good.  It was not good that they were in jail, but the end result, the saving of the jailer, his family and the establishing of a church was good.

Romans 8:29-30 For whom He foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren. Moreover whom He predestined, these He also called; whom He called, these He also justified; and whom He justified, these He also glorified.

When we pray along God’s will, we make ourselves available to be used by Him. Jesus prayed the perfect will of God, remember He told God, “Not My will, but Thy will be done.”

God needs intercessors on earth to make things happen.  God will not go against His word, and when He gave Adam dominion over the earth, God cannot overstep that dominion without our asking Him to.  God puts His word above Himself.

Verse 28 tells us that God has a specific purpose, and He is willing to let us intercede.  If we do not pray according to God’s will, then God will seek another saint who will be willing to pray according to God’s will.  Sometimes we can have a burden to pray, perhaps cry or feel the need to pray and we know it isn’t for us, but for someone else.  The way we know that is that once the prayer is prayed, then that particular mood is lifted from us.

A true intercessor will not get his or her flesh involved, God will use them, and then they get on with their lives.

To illustrate how God foreknew and predestines, Pastor Don had someone stand on a chair.  That person had a view of everyone at the table, each person representing a moment of time.  God can watch a person at any point for God is outside of time, and He can see if they are staying in the perfect will of God, or if they have gotten off track.  In God’s awareness outside of our time, God can arrange for circumstances to come to help a person get back to the perfect will of God.  Since the person is going from moment to moment, at each moment they are making choices that are free will, but because God knows the end from the beginning and is not tied to our clock time, He sees the whole picture so He foreknows what we will choose, but we are still walking out the choice.

God can call us at different moments and times to fulfill different purposes.  We have a mission, and God has a perfect will for our lives.  God wants us to do what we want to do.  God gives us the desires of our heart, and He places those desires into our hearts.  When we walk in His perfect will we are doing the desires of our heart. We can get pulled off of His perfect will, and the God helps us to regain His perfect will if we choose to yield to Him.

2 Corinthians 5:17 Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; old things have passed away; behold, all things have become new.

Romans 8:31-32 What then shall we say to these things? If God is for us, who can be against us? He who did not spare His own Son, but delivered Him up for us all, how shall He not with Him also freely give us all things?

We get all things through prayer, and when we pray in the Holy Spirit, God will bring all things together.  The greatest good is to wait on God.

Psalm 27:14 Wait on the LORD; be of good courage, and He shall strengthen your heart;  wait, I say, on the LORD!

This kind of waiting is an active waiting, waiting for the manifestation of God. To do our due diligence, not just sit and wait.  We must wait in patience, expecting and hopeful.  How we wait is important.

Romans 8:33-34 Who shall bring a charge against God’s elect? It is God who justifies. Who is he who condemns? It is Christ who died, and furthermore is also risen, who is even at the right hand of God, who also makes intercession for us.

Jesus and the Holy Spirit both intercede for us.

Romans 8:35-36 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword? As it is written: “For Your sake we are killed all day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.”

The reason is the love or Christ, so the Holy Spirit and the Spirit of Christ will intercede for us using a saint who is praying for another saint.  Our prayers for each other are important.  Pastor Don shared that he had a praying grandmother. .  We have an army of witnesses, people who have gone before us, praying for us.  We may have had someone we don’t even know intercede for us.

Romans 8:37-39 Yet in all these things we are more than conquerors through Him who loved us. For I am persuaded that neither death nor life, nor angels nor principalities nor powers, nor things present nor things to come, nor height nor depth, nor any other created thing, shall be able to separate us from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

We then spent a long period in prayer and intercession.  The Holy Spirit moved so powerfully in our midst that night.

Praying your day is awesome.



About Heather Marsten

Welcome to Heather's Blog. I'm looking forward to meeting you and checking out your sites. I just moved about nine years of material over from another blog site, Xanga, who may close down mid-July. At first I was disappointed to make the move because I had a lifetime membership at Xanga and had to spend weeks transferring posts. But now I'm thrilled. Already I've met new bloggers and read many new websites. Blogging is a wonderful way to expand my horizons and garner new ideas. I'm a happily married mom of three young adults. My husband and I are proud to watch our children grow and venture out into the world. My daughter is still in college but my two sons have graduated. One has a job and the other just graduated and is in the process of finding a job in his field, physics. Anyone know of any jobs out there? I'm proud of our children and love watching them grow and mature. They've become fine, compassionate, and loving people. Empty nest? Nah, I'm too busy to let an empty nest bother me. Not enough hours in the day. My husband and I enjoy quiet time together and I have many interests to pursue - one of which is blogging :D I am a born-again believer and love God. As you read this blog, you will discover that Bible studies thrill me. There is so much wisdom contained between the covers of the Bible and I am fortunate to sit under the teachings of a remarkable pastor, Pastor Don Moore. Members of our church (Living Word Chapel in West Hurley, New York) are encouraged to teach and there are visiting pastors who stop by our church, I also study the Bible on my own and love sharing what I learn. One other passion is writing. My current work in process is a memoir. A scene from my memoir was published in a book called: Heavenly Company: Entertaining Angels Unaware - an anthology of angelic encounters compiled by Cecil Murphy. I'm hoping my memoir will encourage other survivors of abuse. I grew up in a home filled with abuse, including incest. For most of my life I was searching for something that would fill the void of not being loved by my parents. I tried many ways to find that love -- therapy, relationships, occult studies, and keeping my life so filled I had no way to think about my past. It was only when I discovered God that I was able to put the pieces of my life back together and walk forward in a joyous life. My nickname - wondering has changed from wondering where the heck God was in my life, to wondering what incredible adventure is going to happen next. I hope you enjoy my site. Please say hi, share some thoughts, and ask questions. I look forward to meeting you and checking out your sites. Have a blessed day. Heather
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