When Bad Things Happen part 2 Romans 8:28, John 9:1-5 by Pastor Don Moore

Friday, August 03, 2007

When Bad Things Happen Part 2, Romans 8:28, John 9:1-5 by Pastor Don

Here is the link for part one.

There are times when bad things happen and we do not know how to pray

The passage talks about how God helps us with our sufferings, and we see in Romans 8:26 Likewise the Spirit also helps in our weaknesses. For we do not know what we should pray for as we ought, but the Spirit Himself makes intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.

The Holy Spirit intercedes for us when we do not know how to pray. We know from our own lives at times we have prayed for things and received them only to find out it was a disaster. At other times we have prayed for things and did not get them, and were relieved later because we realized it would not have been a good thing because God had a better plan. We need to persevere in prayer, and let the Spirit intercede for us.

When someone intercedes for us, we may not know they are praying for us unless they tell us. Sometimes we know what the person desires and we pray for that, but often if a person’s name comes across our mind and we pray for them we are guessing what they need. If we pray with our understanding and put words to it, we may not necessarily be praying the thing the person needs.

Pastor Don used Julie as an example. He said, what if he prays that Julie gets an extra $100 this week. Well, she may have all the money she needs and that $100 is not needed. What if he prayed that her husband doesn’t bring home any more bread because she has a refrigerator full of bread? Maybe she is okay with that. What if he prays for her and her husband’s relationship and their relationship is fine? All these things are good things to pray for a person, but what if the Holy Spirit knows what Julie really needs is prayer for her big toe? Unless we are intervening in tongues, groanings, what we are praying is a guess. (Heather’s note, Pastor Don will talk much about Julie’s big toe during the evening. After the Bible study, Julie told us she had burned her big toe that evening – no one knew – the Holy Spirit brought that example to Pastor Don so she would receive prayer for her toe.)

The Spirit knows our weakness, even when we don’t know what to pray for. So the Spirit prays for us, praying what we really need. Verse 26 lets us know something about our situation is going on in the Spirit realm, and the Holy Spirit will intercede for us.

Romans 8:27 Now He who searches the hearts knows what the mind of the Spirit is, because He makes intercession for the saints according to the will of God.

God the Father knows the mind of the Holy Spirit, and searches the mind of the Holy Spirit to know the hearts of the people. The Holy Spirit, because he makes intercession for the saints, is praying according to the WILL OF GOD. 

The Holy Spirit, if He cannot find someone to pray for Julie’s toe, will search for someone yielded in the Spirit who is praying and take their prayer and apply it to Julie’s toe. They may not know that is why they woke up in the middle of the night with a heart to pray, so they pray in obedience to God, and it is the exact prayer the Holy Spirit needs to apply to Julie’s toe. So a person, even if they don’t pray in tongues, if they wake up and are crying and praying, groaning in the Spirit, those prayers can be used to help Julie’s toe.

So God searches the mind of the Holy Ghost, and if he can get anyone to groan or utter (and it does not have to be tongues), not specific prayers, he can interpret that to the purpose He needs in order to fulfill God’s purpose.

Jesus told people, if you know the Father, you know Me. The Word is established by two or more witnesses, so Jesus said He and the Holy Spirit can testify on the truth of what He is saying.

We then Read Romans 8:26 again. Romans 8:26 Likewise the Spirit also helps in our weakness. For we do not know what we should pray for as we ought, but the Spirit Himself makes intercession for us with groaning which cannot be uttered.

God searches the hearts, and knows what the mind of the Spirit is, and the Holy Spirit makes intercession for the saints.

The Father knows what He wants to do.
The Holy Spirit knows what the Father wants to do.
The Holy Spirit needs it prayed by a son of Adam. God gets a person (son of Adam) to pray what the Father wants, then He can do what He wants to do.

We pray the Father’s will on the earth, and then the Father has permission to do His Will on earth.

When we use tongues, satan cannot interpret them, and that gives us an edge in the warfare of satan. For the will of the Father to be done on the earth, He needs someone to groan and use sounds that cannot be uttered, to speak in tongues, to pray His will into the earth. Shut up and say what the Spirit is saying.

The Holy Spirit will give a word to a saint, she gets an interpretation and then shares that with the rest of the saints.

The Holy Spirit searches the hearts of the people, and intercedes for the saints according to the will of God. Whenever the Will of God needs to be expressed, we can use prophetic gifts to express God’s will.

This whole passage in Romans 8 is a passage about prayer. The Holy Spirit intercedes for us because He knows what we need, and the Holy Spirit intercedes for the saints, so we can express the will of God.

Then we look again at Romans 8:28 in this context And we know that all things work together for good to those who love God, to those who are called according to His purpose.

We know the Holy Spirit is praying for the saints, so we know all things will work together for good to those doing God’s will, His purpose on the earth and to those who love God. Why, because of the Holy Spirit’s intervention.

Romans 8:29 For whom He foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren. We position ourselves under God, doing His purpose – he foreknew that purpose, and we conform to that. Jesus is the Firstborn among many saints, who – through Jesus – are also Sons and Daughters of God.

Romans 8:30-31 Moreover whom He predestined, these He also called; whom He called, these He also justified; and whom He justified, these He also glorified. He who did not spare His own Son, but delivered Him up for us all, how shall He not with Him also freely give us all things?

What things? We looked back at Romans 8:18 For I consider the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.

When God’s glory is not revealed in something in our lives, that is because the devil sets a trap for us and we walk into it, walk into something that is not part of God’s will and purpose for our lives.

If we are created for a purpose, we can assume some good and glory will come from fulfilling that purpose. We cannot, if we are out of God’s plan, assume everything bad that happens to us happens is a test of God. Some things that happen to us are from the flesh. Sometimes we create our own messes.

When the Holy Spirit intercedes for us it helps us to get in line with God’s purpose, all that is required is for us to get in agreement with the Holy Spirit.

When Paul and Silas were in that prison, Silas may have thought, because they were in prison, they were not supposed to be in Macedonia. Paul assures Silas that he prayed about it, and God told him to go to Macedonia. So Paul says, since we are where we are supposed to be, lets sing praises to God, and watch and see what happens. Watch to see how God will glorify this uncomfortable position of being bound in jail. God will glorify this because Paul and Silas were in God’s perfect will. Maybe the jail situation doesn’t feel good, but they are still where God told them to be. And the fruit of that will be salvation and a church formed.

The Holy Spirit uses the praise of Paul and Silas, and gives a little intercessory prayer for them, and the fruit of that Holy Spirit intercession and their obedience was salvations.

Don’t volunteer yourself to believe bad things that happen to you are sent by God so God can get glory. God doesn’t have to beat you up to get glory in a situation. We are dumb and stupid at times, we make mistakes and those mistakes can lead to bad things. We make bad choices, go out with the wrong person and decide to marry them. Not everything is a test from God, sometimes we just messed up 20 years ago when we did not listen to God about marrying a particular person. God never told us to marry that person, we overrode God’s command and married them, and now we are stuck with that person – God didn’t do that to us so he could test us, we made the wrong choice.

We cannot take a passage out of the Bible and only use 1/2 of it and say it is Gospel. We need to take the whole counsel of Scripture. When Paul wrote this passage, he talked about suffering, hope, perseverance, and being assured. He talked about the Holy Spirit interceding for us, that the Holy Spirit will help us in our weaknesses, and that we do not always know what to pray for a situation for ourselves or others. When we pray in tongues, the Holy Spirit can use that prayer language to pray God’s Will in a situation. God knows our heart, and the Holy Spirit will get things done according to God’s purpose.

Someone asked how this fit in with John 9 – the healing of the man who was blind from birth. So we went to that passage to look at it.

A bit of background. The Jews believed certain things, if you are sick, if you are in poverty it was the result of some sin in your life or in your family’s generations. When we are sick, the first place to look is at our diet, weight, resilience to pressure, for a medical condition. God is the God of truth and honesty. We can’t get healed until we are honest about stuff. Until we honestly look at what it is that I am doing that caused this? Colon cancer could come from bitterness that binds one up, back pain could be due to stress, etc. The truth is, not everyone who stands in a prayer line really wants to be healed, some like the attention that sickness gives them, some are so caught up in habits that they don’t want to let go, etc. The Jews believed all sickness and deformity has a root of sin.

Jesus lived up to the expectations of what was prophesied about Him. For the prophecies pointed out that the Messiah was going to come with healing in His wings, and Jesus often, when He healed someone told them their sins were forgiven, or go your way and don’t do that again, or go your way and be free of your infirmities. Jesus would heal a person, but often told the person to go and sin no more. If the person wanted to stay healed, they needed to make changes in their lives and not do those particular sins again.  Don’t go back to what got you into that position in the first place. Often our pride still keeps us in bondage though. Pastor Don gave the following example:

In India, Pastor Don prayed over many people, refusing to stop praying until the entire line was prayed for. What he noticed after all were prayed for was that many women came for prayer because of pains in their lower back and pain in their necks. This puzzled Pastor Don, so the following morning, he was on a rooftop praying, and he watched the women in the town. he noticed two things. The women all went to the town well with huge stainless steel containers – that could carry 20-40 pounds of water. They would fill up the containers, then two women would help the third woman put the heavy container of water on her head, she would walk to her home pour the water into a container and come back for more water. The women all did this early in the morning and made many trips – because water was turned off at 10:00 and they had to get the water to their houses. Then he noticed that the women had a little stick with a bit of broom on the end, to sweep up in front of their houses, so to sweep they had to stoop over to brush the ground. Pastor Don told the Indian pastors that these health problems could easily be solved if the women had a little wheelbarrow to carry the water and if they had longer handles on their brooms.

The pastors laughed and explained to Pastor Don that would solve the womens’ problems but they would not do it. Even though, officially, the caste system was disbanded, the women would not want to sweep with a regular handled broom because that would imply that they were in a sweeper class which would be beneath their caste. And the same with the wheelbarrow because that would imply they were in a puller’s caste. A puller was a widow or a working person, and if the woman used a cart she would be equated with a laborer.  In front of one of the churches a sewer broke, and nothing was done for weeks. Why? Because the digger’s caste had to come to dig down to the problem, and there was a pipe caste, and until they came the pipe couldn’t be fixed. The sewer was open and rancid.

One of our members had us chuckling when she said, “Pride is a pain in the back.” For these women that was a literal truth.

Then we looked at John 9:1-2 Now as Jesus passed by, He saw a man who was blind from birth. And His disciples asked Him, saying, “Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents, that he was born blind? The disciples understood the principle that whatever you don’t protect, the devil will attach himself to, and they assumed this person had a sin or his family did.

John 9:3 Jesus answered, “Neither this man nor his parents sinned, but that the works of God should be revealed in him.”

There was no sin. The man was blind from birth. Some problems are just material problems, not sin related. DNA and genes did not come together. One member of our church was born without one of her knuckles, it was just a genetic thing, not a sin condition. Pastor Don said he was short and bald on the top of his head, not because of sin, but because of genes. Everything that goes wrong is not a generational curse, or the root of sin or demonic activity. Maybe everyone in a family is hyper and cultural drinking makes someone an alcoholic because they drink to reduce the hyper activity and they drink frequently with friends. It is not a generational curse until a person wants to be free of something and find themselves supernaturally locked into a negative behavior.

If you are part of a diabetic family and you make wrong food choices, hold emotions in, and let stuff eat at you, diabetes will come. Our culture is creating a lot of diabetics. In Ghana and Nigeria there is an increase in diabetes because many in those countries are now eating an American diet, and that increases the diabetic behavior, and the people are now seeing signs in their health.

We give the devil too much credit for our lack of self control and bad behavior. When we do things that are not Godly, the devil latches onto our fleshly behavior and makes it worse. We need to get beyond condemnation about what people are doing and realize everyone is in the same boat, and we all want to get free.

John Chapter 9:3-5 Jesus answered, “Neither this man nor his parents sinned, but that the works of God should be revealed in him. I must work the works of Him who sent Me while it is day; the night is coming when no one can work. As long as I am in the world, I am the light of the world.”

This passage does not say ANYWHERE in it that God made the person blind, it was a genetic issue, not a sin issue. But God is going to use this blindness to show the power of God revealed in this situation. Let’s not discuss what went wrong, but just that God revealed his good works through this man. God did not cause the man to be born blind to puff up Himself and His glory, but God loves us so much He heals us. Jesus does the work of God. When he happened upon the blind man, he said He was going to fix him. To bring light to this man’s dark situation, all he needed was healing. The light of God was revealed in this man.

So often we want to figure out the medical reason why of a situation, but God is greater than all our medical knowledge, and He can reverse any situation.  God just revealed Himself in the cure, but God was not the problem.

Jesus passed by and saw the blind man, and healed him.

Someone told Pastor Don the NIV does not have the same emphasis on the healing, and Pastor Don said there was a cultural bias in the NIV translation. If you look at the names of those on the board of translators, they were from denominations that deny signs and wonders.

Pastor Don said in the 19 or more miracles Jesus did there were not many examples of sickness from birth. No where is it said God made us sick so He could heal them.

Jesus walked by many people who did not ask for healings, 100,000’s were not healed. God did not make those who were sick and not touched by Jesus sick so God could get glory.

Is sickness the Will of God? NO!!!! It is not an issue of sin in the case of this blind man, it was just that Jesus had to do the work of God, and where Darkness was, Jesus brings the Light of God.

In circumstances that man created, by being human and fallible, God brought light and balance, joy, grace. Where there is war, God brings peace. Where there is sickness, God heals. Where there is disease, God brings health. Where there is racism, God brings a sense of community.

A question was brought up about psychic healers and new age healers. Pastor Don said that if you go to the devil to get healed it is a healing of symptoms, not a full healing. What satan takes off of a person by an instrument of satan, satan can put back on to a person. God has a plan that heals sickness from the root of the sickness, not just the removal of symptoms.

Pastor Don closed the Bible study by telling us to begin to pursue what God has put in your heart, and when you are acting in God’s will, He will prosper you.

Hoping you have a blessed night,



About Heather Marsten

Welcome to Heather's Blog. I'm looking forward to meeting you and checking out your sites. I just moved about nine years of material over from another blog site, Xanga, who may close down mid-July. At first I was disappointed to make the move because I had a lifetime membership at Xanga and had to spend weeks transferring posts. But now I'm thrilled. Already I've met new bloggers and read many new websites. Blogging is a wonderful way to expand my horizons and garner new ideas. I'm a happily married mom of three young adults. My husband and I are proud to watch our children grow and venture out into the world. My daughter is still in college but my two sons have graduated. One has a job and the other just graduated and is in the process of finding a job in his field, physics. Anyone know of any jobs out there? I'm proud of our children and love watching them grow and mature. They've become fine, compassionate, and loving people. Empty nest? Nah, I'm too busy to let an empty nest bother me. Not enough hours in the day. My husband and I enjoy quiet time together and I have many interests to pursue - one of which is blogging :D I am a born-again believer and love God. As you read this blog, you will discover that Bible studies thrill me. There is so much wisdom contained between the covers of the Bible and I am fortunate to sit under the teachings of a remarkable pastor, Pastor Don Moore. Members of our church (Living Word Chapel in West Hurley, New York) are encouraged to teach and there are visiting pastors who stop by our church, I also study the Bible on my own and love sharing what I learn. One other passion is writing. My current work in process is a memoir. A scene from my memoir was published in a book called: Heavenly Company: Entertaining Angels Unaware - an anthology of angelic encounters compiled by Cecil Murphy. I'm hoping my memoir will encourage other survivors of abuse. I grew up in a home filled with abuse, including incest. For most of my life I was searching for something that would fill the void of not being loved by my parents. I tried many ways to find that love -- therapy, relationships, occult studies, and keeping my life so filled I had no way to think about my past. It was only when I discovered God that I was able to put the pieces of my life back together and walk forward in a joyous life. My nickname - wondering has changed from wondering where the heck God was in my life, to wondering what incredible adventure is going to happen next. I hope you enjoy my site. Please say hi, share some thoughts, and ask questions. I look forward to meeting you and checking out your sites. Have a blessed day. Heather
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