2 Kings 3 by Pastor Don Moore

Friday, March 23, 2007

2 Kings 3 by Pastor Don

I got to Bible study late, something I don’t like to do, but I also had to fulfill my responsibility as a Girl Scout cookie chairperson, and meet with the troops to get the cookie money. So, I came to Bible study in the middle of Pastor Don fielding a question about how different places got their names. He pointed out that the name came from an experience that occurred there, like Bethel is House of God, a place where many of the Patriarchs met with God.

Then Pastor Don stated, “The pressure to mature is rejected by the immature.”

He gave an example of a person coming for prayer for healing, being told that the reason for the sickness was because something was out of order in their lives. They just want to have hands laid on them and receive a healing, not wanting to hear what they need to change about their lives. It is possible that even if they don’t hear what they need to do, the healing could happen with the laying on of hands. But if the underlying issue of the problem is not addressed, the sickness could return and the person could blame the healer or they could blame God, but the problem was not God or the healer, but the fact that they haven’t dealt with the real cause of the sickness. Remember, Jesus often told people they should go their way and SIN NO MORE. Another time he talked about how, if a spirit was cast out of the person, it would wait around, and if an opening was present, it would come back with seven other spirits. That the person needs to fill themselves with God, and leave no room for a spirit to return. If an illness is cast away, and the underlying condition is not taken care of, it could come back far worse than before.

Pastor Don also mentioned the woman with the issue of blood, and how Jesus told her to “Go your way and be made whole of your illness.” The verb used is “be being healed” it is an ongoing process. Sometimes you have to keep doing work to maintain your healing. If a person is cured of diabetes, and they keep gorging on sugar, the diabetes will come back. You can receive your healing, but you also have to watch what you put in your mouth.

We had newcomers to the Bible study, so Pastor Don reviewed some things to catch people up. I am going to share anything that wasn’t previously taught, figuring that you can go back and review earlier studies.

We reviewed how Jehoram (son of Ahab and Jezebel) became king over Israel, that Jehoshaphat was king over Judah. Jehoram did better than his parents, but did not completely rid Israel of their idols. Jehoshaphat was a more godly king. Jehoram persisted in the sins of Jeroboam and did not depart from them.  After Ahab died, Mesha king of Moab, who used to pay a tribute to Ahab, rebeled against Jehoram, king of Israel.

Jehoram mustered the troops of Israel, and then made a VERY SMART move, and asked for help from Jehoshaphat to go against Moab. They decided to go up by way of the wilderness of Edom.

2 Kings 3:9 So the king of Israel went with the king of Judah and the king of Edom, and they marched on that roundabout route seven days; and there was no water for the army, nor for the animals that followed them.

The Edomites were descendants of Esau, remember he was the one who gave up his birthright for a bowl of pottage. He was the one who was denied inheritance from Abraham, being tricked by Jacob/Israel so that his father gave the blessing to Abraham. The Edomites stayed in the land when the Israelites were in Egypt, and when the Israelites returned they did not help them. The land in reference we now call Jordan, and it is where Petra is.

2 Kings 3:11 But Jehoshaphat said, “Is there no prophet of the LORD here, that we may inquire of the LORD by him?” So one of the servants of the king of Israel answered and said, “Elisha the son of Shaphat is here, who poured water on the hands of Elijah.”

Pastor Don pointed out that Jehoram was an idiot, but he was smart enough to find a Godly alliance in Jehoshaphat. Jehoshaphat was smart enough to know that if you are going to do anything, first consult God. Pastor Don talked about that in detail in the previous post on 2 Kings. He told Kenneth Hagin story about a family who made a move to a different city for a better job. When things did not pan out, they came back and asked Pastor Hagin about what went wrong. Kenneth Hagin told them they had not considered all the aspects of the move, such as Godly schools for their kids. Their only decision for the move revolved around money, and if you go to Egypt land, you will only find slavery.

Pastor Don pointed out that pastoral guidance helps you fill in all the dots.

2 Kings 3:13  Then Elisha said to the king of Israel, “What have I to do with you? Go to the prophets of your father (Ahab) and the prophets of your mother (Jezebel).….” Ouch, Ahab and Jezebel had sought to kill Elisha, and Elisha would not have talked to Jehoram, but because of Jehoshaphat, Elisha would help.Then Pastor Don pointed out that our associates and who we hang out with are very important. It is not WHO you are but WHOSE you are. WHO do you belong to?

2 Kings 3:15 Elisha then said, “But now bring me a musician.” Then it happened, when the musician played, that the hand of the LORD came upon him.

Pastor Don spoke about this in detail in the previous Bible study, but reminded us that we need to know how we hear from God. Is it being plugged in to praise and worship, reading the Bible, dancing, walking, prayer and meditation. How do you get into the right Spirit to hear from God? We need to know the way to get to our Jericho so that we can get a quick answer from God.

Pastor Don said that God wants to speak to us. The problem is not God not speaking, it is our ability to hear Him that is impaired. He pointed out that, when we are very upset, we can’t hear what others are telling us. We aren’t listening. And often in that same kind of upset state, we don’t hear God speaking either. That is one reason why we have church, to help us learn to have the ability to hear from God. Sometimes during a church service a particular song sung, a sermon spoken, a word from a fellow member will be the Word from God that we need to hear.

Pastor Don touched in depth on these verses in the previous teaching.

2 Kings 3:16 And he (Elisha) said, “Thus says the LORD: ‘Make this valley full of ditches.'”

Here is the Word of Wisdom from God, Elisha listened to God and relayed the message to the kings.

2 Kings 3:17-23 “For thus says the LORD: ‘You shall not see wind, nor shall you see rain; yet that valley shall be filled with water, so that you, your cattle, and your animals may drink. And this is a simple matter in the sight of the LORD; He will also deliver the Moabites into your hand. Also you shall attack every fortified city and every choice city, and shall cut down every good tree, and stop up every spring of water, and ruin every good piece of land with stones.” Now it happened in the morning, when the grain offering was offered, that suddenly water came by way of Edom, and the land was filled with water. And when all the Moabites heard that the kings had come up to fight against them, all who were able to bear arms and older were gathered; and they stood at the border. Then they rose up early in the morning, and the sun was shining on the water; and the Moabites saw the water on the other side as red as blood. And they said, “This is blood; the kings have surely struck swords and have killed one another; now therefore, Moab, to the spoil!”

The kings of Moab were tricked, thinking that the kings had turned against each other and that the spoils would be easy to gather.

2 Kings 3:24-26 So when they came to the camp of Israel, Israel rose up and attacked the Moabites, so that they fled before them; and they entered their land, killing the Moabites. Then they destroyed the cities, and each man threw a stone on every good piece of land and filled it; and they stopped up all the springs of water and cut down all the good trees. But they left the stones of Kir Haraseth intact. However the slingers surrounded and attacked it. And when the king of Moab saw that the battle was too fierce for him, he took with him seven hundred men who drew swords, to break through to the king of Edom, but they could not.

The reason for the stones was to make the land difficult to cultivate, the destruction of the good trees also prevented repopulating the land, as did the stopping of the springs of water. Pastor Don pointed out that the King of Moab then turned to try and attack the king of Edom. Why Edom? Because Edom was the weakest link, and the enemy always goes for the weakest spot in our defenses.

Someone asked about the grain offering, and Pastor Don spent some time talking about tithes and offerings. One thing that he pointed out is that we cannot get legalistic about tithes and offerings, that they need to be freely given from a heart of love. Pastor Don pointed out that in America money controls us, and for us the issue over money is good stewardship. That we would be shocked to realize that Muslims give on average 4 1/2 – 7% in tithes, whereas Christians in our country give on average 3%. Now some give more, some less but it averages out to be about 3%.

The grain and fruits and produce offerings were free will offerings. We can’t make it legalistic or it isn’t an OFFERING. Jesus taught that it was more blessed to give than to receive. His lesson was, if you are a giver you will be blessed. (Not as the TV evangelists sometimes state, for the blessing does not have to be money, it can be relationships, family, security, deliverance, there are many ways that the blessing can manifest.)

Malachi 3:8-10 “Will a man rob God? Yet you have robbed Me! But you say, In what way have we robbed You? In tithes and offerings. You are cursed with a curse. For you have robbed Me, Even this whole nation. Bring all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be food in My house, and try Me now in this, ” says the LORD of hosts, “If I will not open for you the windows of heaven and pour out for you such blessing that there will not be room enough to receive it.”

This is one situation that God tells us to TEST Him. Then Pastor Don mentioned when Jesus told the disciples that it was easier for a camel to go through the eye of the needle than it was for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. He described the needle, pointing out that after the gates were closed, the camel drivers had to unload their camels of merchandise, the camels would crawl on their knees through a tiny hole in the gate, and then the goods were searched and brought in and replaced on the camel. That Jesus was telling the disciples that they had to humble themselves before God, and realize that it was to God that their riches belonged. The rich young ruler was told to sell all he had and give to the poor. Jesus knew that the rich young ruler needed to do this because he loved money more than God. It is not saying that God wants us poor, that isn’t the case. God wants us to rule our money, not our money to rule us.

Malachi 3:11 And I will rebuke the devourer for your sakes, so that he will not destroy the fruit of your ground, nor shall the vine fail to bear fruit for you in the field.” says the LORD of hosts.

The devil wants to steal our future. satan doesn’t want to keep us from having stuff, he will give us all the money, and things we want, as long as it keeps our focus from God. God wants us to have the stuff, but He doesn’t want us to be slave to our stuff.

Someone asked about the 10% tithe, and Pastor Don again said not to be legalistic. He then pointed out that tithes were made by Cain and Abel. Abel gave the perfect tithe to God, and Cain gave God the leftovers and when God wasn’t pleased, Cain killed Abel. Abraham tithed to Melchizedek, the king of Salem (Peace). Noah, Enoch, David, the Israelites all tithed.

In fact the Jews tithed 23 1/2% of their income. 10% went to the temple, and the other 13 1/2% was given to the poor and used for VACATION. Twice a year, they were instructed by God to come to Jerusalem for the feasts, which entailed sacrifices and a big party. Part of their tithe was used for traveling expenses.

In the New Testament, for those who say that the tithe isn’t in the New Testament, might want to remember that Jesus came to FULFILL the law (including the tithe). The early Christians realized that EVERYTHING belonged to God, so they sold all their stuff and shared in common all things for the service of God. Acts 4 points out that deeds of houses and property were turned over to the church, or 100% tithe.

Pastor Don pointed out that he never asks the treasurer of the church who tithes or doesn’t tithe, unless that person is being considered for a church office, in which case he would want to know that they are on the same page regarding what is God’s.

Then we went back to 2 Kings 3, and Pastor Don emphasized how important it is to maintain Godly associates. That we need the Jehosephats of this world to stand in agreement with us, when we are weak in an area. Godly people help us to do what is right before God, to destroy the land of the enemy so that there is no chance for the enemy to return. There is no compromise. We don’t want to leave any area in our lives that satan can come back in.

Hoping this blessed you. We really will get further along in this study. I am so grateful that Pastor Don takes  time to answer our questions, even if it pulls us off track somewhat. I am glad he cares about our concerns, not his own agenda. I count myself so blessed to learn from such a godly man.

Have a blessed day,



About Heather Marsten

Welcome to Heather's Blog. I'm looking forward to meeting you and checking out your sites. I just moved about nine years of material over from another blog site, Xanga, who may close down mid-July. At first I was disappointed to make the move because I had a lifetime membership at Xanga and had to spend weeks transferring posts. But now I'm thrilled. Already I've met new bloggers and read many new websites. Blogging is a wonderful way to expand my horizons and garner new ideas. I'm a happily married mom of three young adults. My husband and I are proud to watch our children grow and venture out into the world. My daughter is still in college but my two sons have graduated. One has a job and the other just graduated and is in the process of finding a job in his field, physics. Anyone know of any jobs out there? I'm proud of our children and love watching them grow and mature. They've become fine, compassionate, and loving people. Empty nest? Nah, I'm too busy to let an empty nest bother me. Not enough hours in the day. My husband and I enjoy quiet time together and I have many interests to pursue - one of which is blogging :D I am a born-again believer and love God. As you read this blog, you will discover that Bible studies thrill me. There is so much wisdom contained between the covers of the Bible and I am fortunate to sit under the teachings of a remarkable pastor, Pastor Don Moore. Members of our church (Living Word Chapel in West Hurley, New York) are encouraged to teach and there are visiting pastors who stop by our church, I also study the Bible on my own and love sharing what I learn. One other passion is writing. My current work in process is a memoir. A scene from my memoir was published in a book called: Heavenly Company: Entertaining Angels Unaware - an anthology of angelic encounters compiled by Cecil Murphy. I'm hoping my memoir will encourage other survivors of abuse. I grew up in a home filled with abuse, including incest. For most of my life I was searching for something that would fill the void of not being loved by my parents. I tried many ways to find that love -- therapy, relationships, occult studies, and keeping my life so filled I had no way to think about my past. It was only when I discovered God that I was able to put the pieces of my life back together and walk forward in a joyous life. My nickname - wondering has changed from wondering where the heck God was in my life, to wondering what incredible adventure is going to happen next. I hope you enjoy my site. Please say hi, share some thoughts, and ask questions. I look forward to meeting you and checking out your sites. Have a blessed day. Heather
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